I went on to work at Apple Computer on new multimedia and user interface concepts involving digital agents, animated user interfaces, speech recognition and distributed information access. In 1991, there was a sudden flurry of activity when Apple and IBM were trying to set up a strategic partnership. I became involved in the super-secret negotiations, and made the suggestion that what the world needed was a standard for multimedia that multimedia content creators could rely on to publish to (ultimately this is what HTML became). Based on these suggestions, Kaleida Labs was founded. Our work there developed a product called ScriptX , which turned out to be very similar to Sun's Java which was being developed at the same time. ScriptX had goals of supporting all forms of multimedia: text, images, audio, video, animation; being cross-platform (Mac and Windows), interpreted, object oriented, with a garbage collector to manage memory.